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rupertmh
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 12:14 pm |
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What does anyone think of a six sided cableski, where the distances are equal (something like 100m between corners)? Secondly, given we can start from scratch, what does anyone think about a left foot forward (i.e sending the cable the opposite direction to current, or clockwise)?
We're considering changing the lake layout, which may happen for season 2008, but more likely 2009, as part of the housing development program and to accommodate a restaurant opposite to where the start hut currently is (so the dining deck area is south facing) but we'd like your feedback please, on pros and cons of the above?
cheers
Rupert
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Mafding
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 07:48 pm |
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| Wow, a 6 sided cable sounds pretty awesome and you would get less tug on your line when someone else is doing a trick on the cable. I would not however like a clockwise cable as I am right foot forward but thats just me being lazy. I think in cable wakeboard comp rules you are not allowed a clockwise cable but dont quote me on that.
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hustler
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Posted: Sat Aug 18th, 2007 03:52 pm |
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yeah 6 sided sounds cool,
sorry if this is a stupid question but is there anyway of running a cable system that has 2 docks so that the cable can run both directions ? so that when 1 dock is running cable anti-CW the other dock stays in say "neutral" so that is doesnt run and vice versa.
then maybe you could have different days running different directions.
you might be a bit sore if you tried a kicker from the wrong direction thou 
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babydraz
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Posted: Sun Aug 19th, 2007 07:39 am |
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Well the gap between corners 4 and 5 is the best place to learn throwing inverts, because it has the most tension, so 6 sections like that would be cool, but then you limit the space for obstacles. If you had one longer straight, and broke the rest up with towers not necessarily corners but a slight change in angle to tension the cable, that would be amazing.
I personally wouldn't want it to change direction, but I guess it would make me better at doing everything switch.
Draz
Last edited on Sun Aug 19th, 2007 07:39 am by babydraz
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Wingnut
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Posted: Sun Aug 19th, 2007 09:06 am |
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No, unfortunately not as all the carriers are directional. They have small 'forks' on their open side to guide the end of the rope (ball cable) into the catch of the carrier, a bit like a funel. To change direction, you would also have to replace every carrier each time. Also, each pulley is set to be aligned to the incoming cable, this is obviously dependant on the length of the straight leading up to it (the longer the straight, the more 'droop') and therefore if the cable was reversed, each pullet would need resetting every time.
Would have been a nice ides though!
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Barry
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 03:36 pm |
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Sounds interesting but being right foot forward the cable suits me as it is, soz! A restaurant sound like a good move but would us 'wet people' be able to have an area to sit and eat? Princes Club, for example, has restaurant facilities and have the basic burgers and chips etc but wet clothing is excluded which is a pain when you're starving hungry and don't want to kill yourself on the water through lack of food. Just a thought!
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100th monkey
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 06:52 pm |
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Six tower rigs are ok the only loss being the snap of a good right angle corner. It might be worth popping over to Paderborn Wasserski and looking at their setup if you are considering it with equal sides.
Personally 5 towers is the optimum rig proven time and again worldwide. Whilst a left footer would undoubtably draw left footer to it like a moth to a light bulb the logistics outweigh the practicalities.
Spares would be the main threat to your business, currently cables share spares through the UK rixon distributer and any left handed rig spares would need to be custom made and as a result would have longer lead times, therefore any breakage could take longer. A left handed cable is required in UK but it could only truly survive as a business if it was a second cable and had the main right footer to fall back on.
So in summary stick to 5 towers or a 6 tower rig would sit well in your site, put a selection of big gnarly original obstacles coupled with some basic classics for the beginners, Loose all that sand and develop a pleasant path to walk back on, run a few comps, and you are cooking on gas.
Hope this helps, thanks for contributing to the UK cable scene
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Wingnut
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 12:06 pm |
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100th monkey wrote: Six tower rigs are ok the only loss being the snap of a good right angle corner. It might be worth popping over to Paderborn Wasserski and looking at their setup if you are considering it with equal sides.
Personally 5 towers is the optimum rig proven time and again worldwide. Whilst a left footer would undoubtably draw left footer to it like a moth to a light bulb the logistics outweigh the practicalities.
Spares would be the main threat to your business, currently cables share spares through the UK rixon distributer and any left handed rig spares would need to be custom made and as a result would have longer lead times, therefore any breakage could take longer. A left handed cable is required in UK but it could only truly survive as a business if it was a second cable and had the main right footer to fall back on.
So in summary stick to 5 towers or a 6 tower rig would sit well in your site, put a selection of big gnarly original obstacles coupled with some basic classics for the beginners, Loose all that sand and develop a pleasant path to walk back on, run a few comps, and you are cooking on gas.
Hope this helps, thanks for contributing to the UK cable scene
http://www.100th-monkey.co.uk
Thanks for the input Kerry.
As for the loss of snap provided by a good right-angle corner, after speaking to any of the guys down here, I don't think it will be a problem. Everyone agrees that the floatiest corner is number two, which isn't right-angled. It is a very common misconception though. Camsur (the Phillapines cable tow) is an equalateral six-sided rig, and after speaking with a few guys who spent last winter out there, they tell me it's the best cable in the world.
Five tower rigs have been the norm in the past due to slalom skiing regs. The rig needs at least one side of around 310m to accomodate a standard slalom course. As all of our business is wakeboarding, this is no longer relevant to us.
You have a point about spares, although there is no UK rixen distributor that we share parts through (that any of the cablesites know of anyway!). We all go directly to each other, or if nobody has the part, we order direct from Rixen where they ship the parts to us next day if it's urgent. Being the only left hooker in the country would probably mean we need to hold a larger stock of parts as we won't be able to rely on the other cable tows for bits.
These plans are based on the idea of keeping the right hand cable as well. Don't worry, we're not kicking out all the right footers, we just want to make it easier for you all to learn switch!
Don't you worry Kerry, we'll continue contributing to the 'UK cable scene'!
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babydraz
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 12:46 pm |
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| I seriously do like the idea of having access to a right and left foot rig. Would definitely make life easier to learn regular and switch inverts, and should certainly shorten queues.
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100th monkey
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 03:18 pm |
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Corner two floats because its the shortest between pulleys surely! I am glad you pointed out my common misconception as I hadnt noticed that after several years on cables worldwide.
A left handed rig would compliment a right handed perfectly and attract folk from far and wide. Well as you have all the answer to all the questions may as well close the thread!
PS No doubt the 30 degrees of sunshine, amazing scenery, quality obstacles and the staffs attitude at camsur make it number 1, coupled of course with a brand new 6 tower well maintained rig. You could put a 4 tower in camsur and it would still be the best in the world.
LTD LTR & DBM
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Wingnut
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 03:42 pm |
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I agree - Having year-round perfect weather would be a bonus!
That's exactly right (as far as I know) about corner two - having a shorter distance between pulleys is what makes it float. That's why we thought a six corner rig would be better - more pylons would mean shorter straights.
Didn't mean to sound like I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs Kerry, I just want to make sure we make the facts clear to those of us who haven't been all over the world riding different cableways!
As you said, Camsur could have got away with just putting in four pylons, but they chose not to.
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100th monkey
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 05:22 pm |
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As I originally stated go with 5 or 6 towers you cant lose, end of the day a cable is a cable, it introduces people to a board, water, and perspex and thats got to be good for the future of the sport.
Not looking forward to you being cable down, but cant wait for the launch party
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hustler
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Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2007 11:15 pm |
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so are the plans for 2 cableways of different directions or just an update to the current lake and cable ??
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sullx
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 09:32 am |
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Hey keep it the same.... If you have 6 towers i will loose my only invert  corner cut raleys. Darnnnn....
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 05:28 pm |
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sullivan you didn't pay attention again did you??? left foot forward.. so you don't need to corner cut for your railys!!
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sullx
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 07:33 pm |
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| Come on Jimbo they aint never gunna build a cable for us non goofey riders, "are they!!!!!!!!" Sick-a-rooney, maybe.
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babydraz
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 07:47 pm |
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| Maybe we should scrap the thread and start again. I think everyone reads the first comment and freaks out thinking you're changing the existing cable to left foot.
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sullx
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 07:51 pm |
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| isn't that wat they're saying Draz......
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babydraz
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 07:56 pm |
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| As I understand it, the plan (and I don't think anything is set in stone) is to have 2 cables. The existing one, moving down the road, and a 6 corner left foot (clockwise) cable in the current lake.
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sullx
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 07:59 pm |
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| Ahhh sweet as bro... only if they moving the current cable, could you move it nearer to Burford. maybe next door to my place lol....
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